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RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
The only theory I can find to explain whatever he's saying is that he spent the last year working on his film so he's emerging just now and has no idea how to behave in this new world... Frankly, who could ever think that "I don't like victims" will sound good when the topic is sexual abuse and rape ??
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Dominic F - 03-20-2018
(03-20-2018, 07:49 AM)bruttenholm Wrote: I don't care if he's nice or not... The fact is that prominent figures of the film industry all join in to violently criticize Gilliam an nobody stepped up to defend him. Whether it is Rian Johnson, Neil Gaiman or Guillermo Del Toro, Gilliam has numerous beloved famous fans active on twitter but not a single one said or wrote something in his favor. Which means Gilliam is radioactive at this point, nobody wants to have anything to do with him. So good luck for this reputation to not taint the release of his future film.
Obviously I was being flippant there. I feel the same way you do.
I suspect with the line about not liking victims he means that in a quote-unquote kind of way. People wanting to identify as a victim and be praised for it when in reality they are anything but. There is a marked difference between those seeking attention/jumping on a bandwagon and people who have actually suffered abuse. It's bandwagon activism and public shaming of those who say the wrong thing that he is against, I think, not those who have genuinely been exploited. He just expressed it in a clumsy and totally clueless way, which is all those who like to vilify others on social media needed to get the ball rolling.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
I think you're right on the hidden meaning of what he said but unfortunately it's very hidden
That's why I sincerely hope he'll write something on facebook or elsewhere to precise his thoughts.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Donald McKinney - 03-20-2018
(03-20-2018, 06:42 PM)bruttenholm Wrote: I think you're right on the hidden meaning of what he said but unfortunately it's very hidden
Yeah, an apology, some clarification and maybe even a donation to #MeToo and #TimesUp That would help bury the hatchet.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - MercuryZap - 03-21-2018
Hi
I am surprised at the complexity of thoughts and feelings I have experienced over the past few days.
Bewildered and disorientated about sums it up.
I have tried a few times to set about clarifying and articulating my point of view through this forum, which like many of you I have been a member of for many, many years, but have backtracked from posting.
Indeed, I have been backtracking a bit before this episode because I felt I wasn’t adding much new to the debate, really, and on reflection didn’t want to be adding needlessly to the internet celebrity focused data overload that dominates and distorts so much of our lives.
I was also aware that the man had been through serious surgery after the Quixote shoot and for some entirely personal reason it just seemed inappropriate to be speculating with no real insight into the life of another who had been through such pain.
This celebrity fixation of our culture has been bothering me for awhile and in meditating on the issue I kept asking myself why I have been so drawn into TG’s gravitational field for so long. My overwhelming thought was I considered a positive one: TG has been such a key inspirational figure for me for so long because of his unique ability to realise his imagination on screen.
Like I said, the events of recent days have left me a little adrift. I don’t know the “truth” of this situation or even how you quantify the “truth” in the carnival hall of mirrors that pases for reality, anymore.
What I come away with from this is the importance of some kind of reasoned, personal perspective; the importance of thinking for yourself.
Maybe I’ve gone off on an incomplete tangent but Im still processing and it’s obvious from reactions around here a complex, diffcult thing has happened and there are no easy answers.
I also hope you are feeling better, Phil.
Best
M
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - cclark - 03-21-2018
Well said, Mercury Zap. I wasn't aware that Giliam had just been through surgery. Probably another reason (as well as just finishing a project that he had compared to removing a tumour) for why his thoughts on the MeToo movement came out the way they did.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - cclark - 03-22-2018
Here's a very relevant quote by Gilliam about Weinstein:
Quote:And if I have a regret, there’s only one really, and that was working with the Weinsteins [giggles]. That’s the only one.
via 'Ten Lessons on Filmmaking From Terry Gilliam' from Filmmaker Magazine: https://filmmakermagazine.com/36400-the-terry-gilliam-school-of-film-10-lessons-for-directors-today/
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-22-2018
He called the Weinsteins "the brothers grim". It's no mystery he hated harvey weinstein with a passion.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 04-08-2018
Terry Gilliam was asked again about his thoughts on Weinstein and Metoo outside the court in Paris last wednesday, and he made his toughts about Weinstein clearer :
Quote:"Weinstein is a monster," the former Monty Python member told reporters in Paris. "He is a horrible man and he has ruined so many lives of people and he will be punished for it. That's it."http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/terry-gilliam-rejigs-stance-on-monster-weinstein/article/519042#
Yet I don't think it managed "decontaminating" Gilliam, who still seems radioactive for hollywood people... For example, I would have hoped that Rian Johnson, a self-proclaimed Gilliam enthusiast, would have retwitted the teaser of Quixote, especially when one of the actors of his last film is playing one of the main part.
(Duncan Jones did, though : https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/981909422845739008 )
EDIT : Also I tweeted a link to the trailer to Jordan Horowitz who wrote "that should do it for Gilliam" after the metoo comments... and then he blocked me
He's no fun.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Donald McKinney - 04-09-2018
(04-08-2018, 11:24 AM)bruttenholm Wrote: Terry Gilliam was asked again about his thoughts on Weinstein and Metoo outside the court in Paris last wednesday, and he made his toughts about Weinstein clearer :
Quote:"Weinstein is a monster," the former Monty Python member told reporters in Paris. "He is a horrible man and he has ruined so many lives of people and he will be punished for it. That's it."http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/world/terry-gilliam-rejigs-stance-on-monster-weinstein/article/519042#
Yet I don't think it managed "decontaminating" Gilliam, who still seems radioactive for hollywood people... For example, I would have hoped that Rian Johnson, a self-proclaimed Gilliam enthusiast, would have retwitted the teaser of Quixote, especially when one of the actors of his last film is playing one of the main part.
(Duncan Jones did, though : https://twitter.com/ManMadeMoon/status/981909422845739008 )
EDIT : Also I tweeted a link to the trailer to Jordan Horowitz who wrote "that should do it for Gilliam" after the metoo comments... and then he blocked me
Like I said, he's a vindictive cunt, still bitter at Hollywood after what happened last year at the Oscars. On the plus side, the release of the trailer has caused most people to forget about this controversy altogether, and getting excited about the film. Funny how people work.
