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RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Dominic F - 03-20-2018
(03-19-2018, 11:18 PM)cclark Wrote:(03-19-2018, 10:32 PM)Donald McKinney Wrote: Stupid or not, it had to be said, the whole #MeToo and #TimesUp thing has brought out a dark side in celebrities. It has done good, but if a new allegation comes out, EVERYONE HAS TO BELIEVE IT. Erm, are we not allowed to make our own minds up about it? Are we not allowed to have opinions anymore? Isn't that what freedom of speech is about? Look at Woody Allen, all the allegations about him have been regurgitated, even though Allen was found not guilty, but because of #MeToo, you'd think he was guilty. It's become a Black Mirror nightmare scenario come true.
It was Dylan Farrow's 2014 letter to the New York Times that brought the 1993 Woody Allen custody trial back into the spotlight: https://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow/
The 1993 Woody Allen Custody Ruling itself:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-shea/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866.html
All I can say is that Manhattan is a difficult film to watch now.
There may be criminal charges made against Weinstein in NYC soon, and the Cosby trial will certainly come to a close later this year. The other #MeToo accusations seem to more about general sexual misconduct, without any criminal charges needed. Most of these people will probably keep their heads down for a while and have some sort of comeback down the road.
Some of what we see as being a witch hunt is just social media noise. It's hard to know what to take seriously when the news cycles are at warp speed and the trending topics online are gossipy clickbait noise.
I share Bruttenholm's frustration over Gilliam's comments, but I'm hoping that everybody forgets this soon and moves onto the next thing. This way Gilliam can prepare some sort of clarification/apology for his more insensitive comments when Quixote is in Cannes. If it were just another Gilliam film (a rare thing itself), it might be in more danger of having a proper release, but there are hopefully enough film fans who will want to see this out of curiosity due to its history. Let's hope Gilliam takes some advise from his wife this time.
I recommend following Bob Weide on Twitter and reading some of his articles to get a more nuanced take on Woody Allen.
I do think Terry needs to say something at some point, and I just hope and pray it isn't a defiant response. He needs to clarify the situation for the people who inexplicably now view him as Weinstein's best mate and partner in crime. Something sincerely apologetic, separating his view on the corrosive nature of social media lynch mobs and the genuine victims of abuse who must be listened to. As a longtime fan, it is a really sad and frustrating turn of events. I don't want people to remember him in this light.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Dominic F - 03-20-2018
(03-19-2018, 10:08 PM)bruttenholm Wrote:(03-19-2018, 05:43 PM)Donald McKinney Wrote: Tchoh! If these people read Bob McCabe's Dreams and Nightmares, they'll know the true truth of what happened on The Brothers Grimm.Nobody reads those kind of books. I mean most people haven't even heard of Gilliam before that and here comes a mish mash of opinions with old photos of Gilliam and Weinstein laughing side by side resurfacing, what do you except ? Hell, even Asia Argento thought that Gilliam was defending Weinstein and was siding with him against Pecorini in the conflict they had on Grimm...
Gilliam has massive public explanations to make if he expects his film not to be dumped on 10 screens or just in vod (if it gets released at all)... When the producer of La La Land is rejoicing on twitter that we won't hear of you ever again, it means you're clearly a pariah.
And frankly as a fan who waited 20 years to see his Quixote I'm so angry at him... What was he thinking ? How could he imagine that dropping casually that actresses were trading sex with weinstein against work would be a relevant opinion in today's world ?? To be honest I'm devastated in front of his stupidness. I mean there's a time and a place, hasn't he any superego that would have prevented him of saying any hot take that floats in his mind ? I don't manage to realize how we got this far for everything to blow off on the finish line out of sheer stupidity.
Fair points, although I'd add that the producer of La La Land seems like a total prick in general.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - Donald McKinney - 03-20-2018
(03-20-2018, 12:27 AM)Dominic F Wrote:(03-19-2018, 10:08 PM)bruttenholm Wrote:(03-19-2018, 05:43 PM)Donald McKinney Wrote: Tchoh! If these people read Bob McCabe's Dreams and Nightmares, they'll know the true truth of what happened on The Brothers Grimm.Nobody reads those kind of books. I mean most people haven't even heard of Gilliam before that and here comes a mish mash of opinions with old photos of Gilliam and Weinstein laughing side by side resurfacing, what do you except ? Hell, even Asia Argento thought that Gilliam was defending Weinstein and was siding with him against Pecorini in the conflict they had on Grimm...
Gilliam has massive public explanations to make if he expects his film not to be dumped on 10 screens or just in vod (if it gets released at all)... When the producer of La La Land is rejoicing on twitter that we won't hear of you ever again, it means you're clearly a pariah.
And frankly as a fan who waited 20 years to see his Quixote I'm so angry at him... What was he thinking ? How could he imagine that dropping casually that actresses were trading sex with weinstein against work would be a relevant opinion in today's world ?? To be honest I'm devastated in front of his stupidness. I mean there's a time and a place, hasn't he any superego that would have prevented him of saying any hot take that floats in his mind ? I don't manage to realize how we got this far for everything to blow off on the finish line out of sheer stupidity.
Fair points, although I'd add that the producer of La La Land seems like a total prick in general.
Oh, Jordan Horowitz is a vindictive cunt who showed his true colours at last years Oscars when the wrong winner was announced and he gave Warren Beatty a look that said, "I'll kill you, you bastard." When we know whose fault it was and Beatty was bewildered and gormless by all of it. But Horowitz threw Beatty under the bus.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
I don't care if he's nice or not... The fact is that prominent figures of the film industry all join in to violently criticize Gilliam an nobody stepped up to defend him. Whether it is Rian Johnson, Neil Gaiman or Guillermo Del Toro, Gilliam has numerous beloved famous fans active on twitter but not a single one said or wrote something in his favor. Which means Gilliam is radioactive at this point, nobody wants to have anything to do with him. So good luck for this reputation to not taint the release of his future film.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - cclark - 03-20-2018
I think we'll have to wait a bit for the dust to settle before anyone says anything, especially in light of Ellen Barkin's cryptic tweets.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
As much as hollywood people reacted about the interview, quite few retweeted Barkin's declarations so they still aren't sure how to deal with it. Yet she doesn't seem to want to give any details.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - cclark - 03-20-2018
Barkin's timeline is filled with people either supporting her, or random dudes demanding answers. I think it's the ones now harassing her for answers which is insuring we won't get one just yet, certainly not on Twitter. More likely she'll clarify things in a future interview. We do know from her tweets that nothing happened on the Fear & Loathing set, and that according to the AV article in 2015 she was praising Gilliam about the time they worked together, so whatever happened it was recent. She did seem to start tweeting negatively about him back in January.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
When I saw her tweets in january, I understood it was a reference to Gilliam's support to Johnny Depp against Amber Heard. It might be just that, I don't know. I haven't seen any other "metoo" declaration operating this way, without even naming the act you accused someone of.
P.S/EDIT : AFP released the part of the video interview where Gilliam talks about Weinstein https://twitter.com/AFP/status/976062755311677441
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - bruttenholm - 03-20-2018
To be honest, in video, the interview sounds worse than on paper... Now I really have the impression that he's criticizing the women who stepped forward to accuse Weinstein in the new yorker.
RE: Terry takes on #MeToo, Weinstein, Trump and John Cleese!! - cclark - 03-20-2018
Right, and the elevator tweet could be a sarcastic response to his recent comments about Weinstein and the casting couch culture of Hollywood, but people are taking the tweet as an accusation.
That one comment he says in the video, "It's a word of victims. I don't like victims." isn't going to help him any.